Interview with Fritz Berggren, Ph.D.

Q:  What is my passion?

My passion is Christian Nations.   I believe the whole good news is for entire nations — blood lines — to be converted to Jesus Christ.  This is a corporate expression of fealty to God.  It happens when an entire people vow allegiance and obey God’s Law, which is the Ten Commandments.  The Ten Commandments were given to a nation — Israel — and their relationship with God — as a nation — was determined by their obedience to this Ten Commandments.   The foundation of their law was the Ten Commandments.   It was the foundation of their social order.

Nations today are called to do the same thing — obey God by adopting and living  corporately by the Ten Commandments.

Q:  Interesting.  So, the Ten Commandments aren’t “Old Testament?”

A: If by “old testament” you mean having been replaced by something else, then the answer is “no.”  Jesus’ first sermon as recorded in Matthew chapter 5 said “Do not think I have come to do away with the Commandments,” and that all who teach such “shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.”

Bad theology came in when preachers got the idea that the Hebrew scriptures were old and the Greek scriptures were new.  And they got confused by the scripture that say the new covenant would be replace by the old.  And the old testament (covenant) is replaced by the new covenant/testament; but this has nothing to do with a set of Scriptures.  

In the new covenant, the blood of bulls is replaced by the blood of Jesus Christ.  The heart, under the old testament was not changed, but under the new covenant the heart is changed (Jesus called this being “born again.” ).   Even in the New covenant, the Ten Commandments does not go away — they are written upon the heart — and that Law remains as the guide for the Nations.

The Ten Commandments will never go away.  Our job is not just to evangelize individuals, but whole nations.

Q: OK. So no separation between church and state?

A: Great question.   There is a separation between church government — say the church you attend  — and civil government — say your city council.  I mean, why would you want the city council to have legal authority, backed up with violence, to tell your local church how to operate and what to preach?  The concept of separation was to protect the church, never to exclude Christian ideas from government; that was a recent development historically and flows out of ideas of the so-called Enlightenment which in turn gave birth to Marxist-Leninism and “scientific materialism.” 

Since then, their goal has been the obliteration God from all spheres of human endeavor and they’ve been largely successful.  Look at our universities today — it is secular heresy to apply ideas from the Scriptures to society or the world.

But there is no such thing as separating law from morality, or philosophy from religion or morality from government.  What is good and right and true applies to all spheres of life.  

The Ten Commandments are the social order, given by God, to the political ruler of a people— Moses — and were agreed to by that people.   To suggest that just because God gave the commandments makes them unacceptable for a government is really twisted logic.   They were designed for governments.  To rebel against the Ten Commandments is to rebel against God.

And the people most in need of this message are not, ironically, unbelievers; it is the Church. Christians, even Pastors, have no ideas about this. So my goal is to infiltrate the Church with this ideas.

Q:  OK.  Radical stuff.

A: Radical means to the root.  So yes, absolutely to the root.  No apologies there.  

Q:  What about non-Christians?  Isn’t this oppressive to them?

A:  What about Christians? Isn’t it oppressive to forcibly tax Christian families to pay for secular education where homosexuality is embraced?  Why is it illegal, suddenly in the 1960s, to put the Ten Commandments on the wall of the school houses? It was perfectly “constitutional” up until then.  Why are we taxed to pay professors to teach atheism in universities? And taxed to pay public school teachers who were indoctrinated in atheism at the universities?  

At the end of the day, a Christian Nation — with public belief in God and official endorsement of the Ten Commandments — will yield a vastly better result than the atheism we now officially endorse as the religion of this society.

Q:   It’s offensive to me to hear someone espouse the imposition of religion via the Government.

A: Got it.  Got that.  I hear you.   I feel the same way.  Back to what I said earlier . . . Why is it practically illegal for me to say “Homosexuality is wrong” in the schools, in the places I work, in social gatherings?  I can lose my job for talking that way.   Why is it practically illegal to advocate for the Ten Commandments in the public sphere? 

Why is this secular atheistic government imposing it’s view upon me with threat of violence and penury if it I don’t comply . . . .

Q: No one is threatening you . . . 

A: Wrong, Joe. Wrong. If I speak politically incorrect thoughts at work I’m put on a list after someone files an EEO complaint against me ant that list if referred to every time I’m up for promotion.  There is extreme fear of speaking out in the work place because the threat is real.  And you are well read enough to know that kids get kicked out of universities  for having politically unacceptable speech.   And those so-called administrative actions are backed up with force — violence — they can be arrested by men with guns . . . 

Q:   We’re not going to agree on this.

A: No, we are not.  Not at all.   

The Bottom Line is that we all really cannot just get along.  It’s not working. It’s not going to work.

Q: But we have so far, historically.

A: And that’s because the Christians have adopted your world view — an agnostic world view — when it comes to anything that happens outside of Sunday mornings or between their two ears.  The Church, under guidance from its leaders, has decided that the accommodation of practical atheism is better than resistance.

Q: And you want to change that.

A: Yes. Hell yes.   That’s the purpose of my life.

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